Re: rational feminism

Lee Daniel Crocker (
Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:46:36 -0700 (PDT)

> In view of Lee Daniel's pronouncements on the irrationality
> of feminism, I suppose the following question is in order:
> How is feminism irrational?

If I had said such a stupid thing, I should certainly be taken to task for it, but I think most of us on the list have sufficient reading comprehension skills to know that I did not. What I said, and stand behind, is that complete 100% dogmatic egalitarianism-- the idea that men and women are completely equal in every respect and should treated equally in every case--is just as stupid and irrational as our society's historic subjugation of women. The example of statutory rape laws was a case in point--there /should/ be a double standard there, just as there /should/ be a double standard in reproductive choice: a mother has the right to choose to carry a child or not; the father does not have that choice, and I don't believe he should, because the reality is that the choice affects the mother far more than it does him.

I am not blind that women have suffered horribly throughout history, and I am delighted that those wrongs are starting to be redressed. I am also not blind to the fact that they still suffer from perceptions and policies that try to keep them subjugated. I have fought many of those policies, even to the point of using genderneutral pronouns. My father was a military pilot in Vietnam, so I grew up mostly with my mother and older sister. I gained a great deal of respect for strong, bright, capable women and the injustices they had to suffer to succeed. I would not for a moment suggest that the feminist movement as a whole was anything but positive. But by the same token, I should be able to say, for example, that Andrea Dworkin a certifiably insane man-hater without implying that I have anything against more enlightened women struggling for their freedom.

I do not apologize for valuing facts more than motives.

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