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der Otter wrote:
"My approach (subgoal: stay alive, interim goals: seek pleasure, expand = sphere of influence, seek knowledge, evolve until you find a better goal = system) may seem a bit mundane in comparison, but it *is* a safe bet. "
TANSTAASF. You could be going to hell.
So, you're tied to a railroad track A and your (maybe biological) = children are tied to track B. A train is racing to a switch that you = control so in 5 seconds either you or your children will die. An hour = later a train is coming from the other direction on track B that is = going to kill you if you aren't already dead. So you pick A, and = rationalize it to yourself that "sacrifice" isn't "sacrifice" when you = use it. Its just when Yudkowsky says "sacrifice", that ve means = "stupidity".=20
To me, selfishness as a goal system seems too complicated to have much = chance of being correct. It depends on having a correct understanding of = emotions, time, consciousness, and "I".=20
The time for you to "find a better goal system" is now. (That should be = your root. Or is it and I'm just reading your sentence backwards?) If a = Genie or an SI asks you what you want, don't say you want to survive (I =can imaging how that could turn out!), don't say you want to be happy, = say you want what has most overall value. (If you're right about it = being happiness, you'll get it anyway.) That is more practical and a = little safer bet.=20
You actually seem to believe Robinson when ve writes:
"But egoism is more than this. It is the realization by the individual = that he is above all institutions and all formulas; that they exist only = so far as he chooses to make them his own by accepting them. "
Lets go ahead and ignore how silly that sounds. Do you have no hope that = anything can matter? That all you can do is make some context-sensitive = value that will vanish to nothing when examined outside the system, = which is to say objectively? If that's it then, scold me, cause I don't = care. Your system depends on my whims, and there's no point putting them = on stilts.=20
Don't satisfice at egoism or maximizing personal extropy. Let go. There = may be a better goal system. =20
"It's optimism to the point where it makes me nervous. When you get to = the ultimate ends of radical optimism, you have to look at what it was = you really wanted all along, and what that really means." - Vinge
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