At 01:15 AM 8/24/98 +0200, Anders Sandberg <email@example.com> wrote:
>> Sentists, and some other transhumanism-like groups, appear to be
>> basically mystical: knowledge about the future can be achieved through
>> non-rational insight.
>> Strictly speaking, it is transhumanists who are being non-rational, by
>> not acknowledging the nature of boosting. PEOPLE ARE ANIMALS. ALL BEINGS
>> ARE CAPABLE OF BEING BOOSTED BY MIXTURES OF APPLICABLE NEUROLOGICAL
>> MODIFICATION SYSTEMS,
>If I understand your reasoning correctly, you think transhumanists are
>non-rational for not discussing the possibility of uplifiting/boosting
>other entities, such as animals. Is this a correct interpretation?
>If so, then you are wrong, since these matters has been discussed on
>this list in the past. There was a long discussion about uplifting
>squids around a year ago, and there have been occasional bursts of
>thinking on the ethics of the process. Not to mention David Pearce's
>sketches in The Hedonic Imperative.
I have lots of the uplifting discussion as I was its instigator last time
Some of the participants regarded some of the proposals as immoral, which demonstrates that ethical questions are asked here. (Some might complain that they are asked too often.:) I think we should discuss more concrete strategies and applications of more near term technologies here.)
>But generally people are more interested in things that give *them* or
>their close ones a benefit. You might regard all entities as close
>ones, but others may have other priorities. This is still completely
>rational in the sense of using efficient means to reach one's goals.
I see nothing wrong (and assume Andres agrees???) with helping others out. My own strategy is to spread transhumanist/Extropian ideas as far and wide as is practical so that more people will become our allies in the battle to uplift ourselves.
http://www.oasismag.com/Issues/9802/story-ust.html http://www.mcs.net/~tshell/ust/homepage.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8422/ust1.htm http://freeradical.co.nz/ http://www.teleport.com/~jaheriot/posthum.htm