Re: Are guns extropian?

Scott Badger (
Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:45:37 -0500

Ben Hill <> asked:

> Just out of curiosity, what do you consider common APDs?
> Ben Hill

The DSM-IV describes it thusly:

A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:

(1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest.

(2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.

(3) impulsivity or failure to plan ahead

(4) irritability and aggressiveness as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults

(5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others

(6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations

(7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

and wrote:

>No, [gun proliferation] is a decentralized,
>spontaneous order solution, rather than
>something centrally imposed.


>And when Transhumanism is defined as
>an Antisocial Personality Disorder?
>Bye-bye, dude...

I don't see how the definitions for Transhumanism and APD could possibly be confused. They strike me as mutually exclusive, in fact.

>Why is it that some many people seem
>to think that if they set up a huge
>centralized system it will do precisely
>what they want it to do, and not be used
>against them? Set up a power structure
>and it will be used by precisely the kind
>of antisocial power freaks you fear.

I'm having a hard time correlating this response to my post. What does advocating the treatment of mental illness have to do with advocating a huge centralized power structure?

and when I said,

>>I want society to be polite, not because it's
>>armed and scared to be anything but polite,
>>but because it really feels like
>>being polite.

Mark replied;

>And if the bastards won't be polite you'll
>stick electrodes in their brains til they
>change their minds... No thanks.

That statement is most certainly a gross mischaracterization of the efforts of practitioners in the mental health field, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Scott Badger