At 02:33 12/09/01, you wrote:
>You know, I don't want to sound pugnacious, but this kind of carping wasn't
>much in evidence when US citizens were dying in European wars last century.
Well Greg thats probably because i wasn't born until 1965. Had i been
around during
the late 1930's i would have been massively critical of particularly early
British and
European appeasement policy on Hitler. I've also never been too impressed
with the
amount of info the allies had about the death camps, which they did nothing
about.
But discussing WWW II issues is pretty pointless isn't it, i understand
Americans being sensitive
right now. But with huge shock of the events of Tuesday i hope comes a real
opportunity to really examine
some of the issues that have contributed to this event happening. I we (
the whole world ) doesn't do this are
so sure that this won't happen again.
To be completely honest i have been expecting some form of massive attack
on the USA since the mid 80's,
an event that i take no pleasure in expecting. Due primarily due to
successive US policies in other areas of the planet.
Many other National leaders around the world have warned the US that some
of it's policies would lead to further
violence for years.
And no am not making excuses for the carnage that was unleashed on Tuesday,
but things like that do
not happen in isolation. Whilst US policy makers stay wedded to the concept
of the "world Sheriff" these
kind of events ( mercifully probably on a smaller scale ) will continue to
occur.
Zeb
>GB
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Adrian `Guru Zeb` Harper" <guruzeb@blueyonder.co.uk>
>To: <extropians@extropy.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:36 PM
>Subject: "Attack on Civilized World" answer "Defense of USA and USA
>citizens"
>
>
> > Hi ppl
> > Hate to come over as the whining Brit, But. This goes IMHO to
> > illustrate the kind of
> > policy, and presentation of policy fubars that make The US less popular
> > with some parts of the
> > rest of the planet.
> > All day we have had Bush and the current US administration talking about
> > "An attack on the
> > whole civilized world" ( which imho is a little over egging the pudding )
> > and several world
> > leaders have chimed in agreement ( not least our very own Tony Blair ).
> > Which is quite understandable, under the circumstances.
> >
> > Then i see Bush in a press conference say "We will defend America and
> > Americans" in a
> > very pointed semi-isolationist manner.
> >
> > Well what happened to the coalition of global civilization, sounds like
> > it's fine for the "whole civilized world"
> > to be happy to rally to The US's support, but Bush is only interested in
> > "America and Americans".
> >
> > Yeah i understand Bush does not want to say anything that could be viewed
> > as a commitment to
> > defend other nations. But even a clumsy linguist like me can come up with
>a
> > statement that serves
> > to not commit whilst not snubbing my allies.
> > "We and our allies around the world will defend our nations and our
> > citizens" that easy.
> >
> > Now am not just playing fast and lose with somatics here, IHMO this is
>just
> > the kind of badly presented or
> > plain bad policy that helps to generate the kind of bad feelings, and
>sense
> > of national insult, that has
> > help make the events in NY and Washington possible.
> >
> > Zeb
> >
> >
> >
> > "FURIOUS GREEN DREAMS, LAY SLEEPING IN STATE,
> > BUT SOON THE GREAT JELLY SHALL RISE FROM THE
> > DEPTHS,
> > AND ALL THOSE WHO MOCKED SHALL KNOW THEIR FATE
> > IS SEALED"
> > Guru Zeb,
> > Hacienda,
> > Manchester, 1989
> >
> >
> >
"FURIOUS GREEN DREAMS, LAY SLEEPING IN STATE,
BUT SOON THE GREAT JELLY SHALL RISE FROM THE
DEPTHS,
AND ALL THOSE WHO MOCKED SHALL KNOW THEIR FATE
IS SEALED"
Guru Zeb,
Hacienda,
Manchester, 1989
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