People reading Damien Broderick and Charles Hixson might come away
believing that I am a supporter of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis.
Here is the second paragraph about it, sent Mon 8/6/2001 6:46 PM,
that I wrote:
>> But the possibility has been overblown, in my opinion.  The
>> high point of this view occurred in the 1950's.  Since then,
>> the counter-reaction has been that we are not so much damaged
>> or affected by our terminology as had been thought.  All
>> human languages, for example, are almost equally effective in
>> connoting, with some interesting exceptions.  But they're no
>> longer regarded as all powerful in shaping our thoughts.
I have been enlightened by those who point out that the Sapir-Whorf
hypthesis should be considered to have a "strong" form and a
"weak" form, and made other remarks.
Lee
Charles Hixon wrote
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-extropians@extropy.org
> [mailto:owner-extropians@extropy.org]On Behalf Of Charles Hixson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:13 AM
> To: extropians@extropy.org
> Subject: Re: Allowing the sweet voice of reason into our lives
> 
> 
> Lee Corbin wrote:
> > Samantha writes
> > 
> > 
> >>...   If I cast
> >>them as opponents then I have effectively declared ideological
> >>conflict and even war.
> >>
> > 
> > Are you familiar with the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis?  There is
> > some truth, here, I believe, that our terminology can indeed
> > affect our intuitions, feelings, and thoughts in ways that
> > can be detrimental.  Yes, I can imagine that relentless 
> > labeling of those who disagree with one as "enemies" or
> > "opponents" could grow to have this effect.
> > ...
> > 
> > Lee
> > 
> To my mind the central truth of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is easily 
> demonstrated.  Certain computer languages make certain kinds of program 
> easy to write, and other kinds of program quite difficult.  Even while 
> all of these languages are formally complete.
> 
> The projects that one would tackle in ML are not the same as the ones 
> that one would tackle in Fortran.  Or C.  Or C++.  Or Ada.  Or 
> Smalltalk.  These are all different.  There is no technical reason why 
> any particular project could not be done in any of them (e.g., most of 
> them and be made to emit C code, or can use C as one step of their 
> compilation process).  But the difficulty of a project can vary 
> radically from language to language.  And the variation is 
> systematically different for different kinds of project.
> 
> So the hypothesis is testably true (and perhaps it should now be called 
> a theory).  Assessing the degree to which (and areas on which) different 
> human languages have this effect is, however, much more difficult.
> 
> -- 
> Charles Hixson
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