Re: Olber again (was: Re: Big Bang is Bunk)

From: Miriam English (
Date: Mon Jul 30 2001 - 22:01:43 MDT

At 11:48 AM 30/07/2001 -0400, Mike Lorrey wrote:
>Miriam English wrote:
> > - If the universe is expanding (and there is no reason why some of the
> > red shift might not be due to movement) then the universe cools to
> offset that.
>If the universe is already infinite, how could it be expanding? If it is
>expanding, how could it be called a 'steady state'?

This is the problem many people have with infinity: they see it as
something finite, just bigger -- but it isn't. Infinity can expand and
become infinitely bigger with no problems. Infinity + infinity = infinity.

The name "Steady State" just refers to the condition of the universe. It
doesn't refer to position or movement. The idea is that the universe is
roughly the same all over no matter where you go in time or space, and that
our place in time and space is not a special or priveleged one.

> > - If old matter is crushed out of existence in black holes then there is
> > no net gain and the universe can be the temperature it is. Conservation of
> > energy/mass becomes just a handy guide if you have stuff popping into
> > existence in the great voids, or everything all at once at the beginning.
>Which mandates a much larger number of black holes present in the
>universe than have been detected, especially if it is infinitely old,
>the universe should be chock full of them.

If matter is crushed out of existence then it doesn't collect.


         - Miriam

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A. They are both purple... except for the elephant.
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