Re: ASTRO: Finding large cold clouds of atomic hydrogen

From: Anders Sandberg (
Date: Thu Jul 26 2001 - 00:56:34 MDT

On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 01:58:43PM +1000, Damien Broderick wrote:
> At 02:19 PM 7/25/01 -0400, Mike wrote:
> >There is expansion of course, but do the steady
> >staters claim the universe has been expanding FOREVER?
> Of course. That's the great appeal of the idea. But last I heard (years
> ago), Hoyle and Narlikar favored a sort of eternal Steady State with Small
> Bangs; local horrendous bigger-than-quasar upheavals from their postulated
> scalar C-field, I guess.

Yes, I think this was their way of getting around the cosmic microwave
background. I'm not certain they can handle the density fluctuation data
as well as the BB, unless the mini-bangs are observationally identical
to the big bang - in which case the theory IMHO falls afoul of Occam..

One problem I have with the SST is that there ought to be an
accumulation of old stuff. Even if the universe is expanding, galaxies
hold together and age. So we should see a some very old galaxies having
mostly imploded into central black holes and a dense cluster of dead
stars orbiting them (with an expanding veil of stars having been thrown
out in near collisions).

Anders Sandberg                                      Towards Ascension!                  
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