On Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:17 AM Spudboy100@aol.com wrote:
> << As for the Nazis, yeah, they are no longer around as a nation, but this
is
> after six years of war, millions of people killed and turning Europe into
> rubble, then into two armed camps (NATO and the Soviets). If this is God
> answering prayers for the Jews and others truly decimated (how many
people
> survived the camps versus the number who didn't?), I'd hate to see what
> happens when he doesn't answer prayers! Does the Earth fall into the
Sun?
>
> Also, while Israel does exist, its prosperity is mostly the result of US
> funding. If that's prayers being answered, then I guess every person on
> welfare -- including big corporations like AMD and some African
dictators --
> should get down on their knees and praise the Lord.
>
> Of course, I know Zero is only talking about this reinforcing a meme...
> >>
> Now we have to find agreement on your contention that if God exists, God
acts
> through history?
Not really, just on your assumption that God can be proported to. God does
not exist, ergo God cannot act through history or anything.
> Can you state what criteria would prove of falsify the
> existence of God? Also, if God exists, is it of practical use to you,
> personally? One of the nazis, questions, according to some survivors, when
> the nazis were performing executions at ditches, and so-forth, was "where
is
> your God now?" Presumably, most of the murderers were not-atheists (tho'
> some probably were) most were nominal Christians, who beloned to either
the
> German Lutheran Church, or were Roman Catholics.
My point was in the above rejoinder not that God has a practical use, but
that the specific example didn't seem to support the implied criterion for
belief. The implied criterion was that the Nazis were defeated. My point
was they were defeated only at great cost and the damage lingered on for
quite some time.
As for arguing God does not exist from the evidence of history, I don't do
that and do not want to do that. Historical evidence is much too derivative
anyway. One need only examine the concept of God and seek out its referents
and coherence to see God is a nonexistent.
Cheers!
Daniel Ust
http://uweb.superlink.net/neptune/
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