Harvey Newstrom wrote:
>
> Michael S. Lorrey wrote:
> > Harvey Newstrom wrote:
> > > Michael S. Lorrey wrote on Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:18 AM,
> > > > > <lack or research is more likely to take my life than Reno's guns>
> > > >
> > > > You think so? In the past century, the fact that the average
> > > > european was 20
> > > > times more likely to die from government weapons than an American
> > > > was likely to
> > > > die from any violent crime whatsoever,
> > >
> > > Mike, is this including World Wars? :-)
> >
> > Harvey, wars are caused by governments, so anyone who died as a
> > result, died as
> > a result of government.
>
> No disagreement from me Mike.
>
> I was just clarifying the source of your statistics. I thought it was a non
> sequiter to argue about Janet Reno by quoting statistics of European war
> casualties.
>
> Just trying to follow the conversation, that's all.
Clarification helps. Here's some more: Most of those that died during the two
world wars were not enemy soldiers or enemy civilians. They were typically
citizens who were victimized by their own governments. Whether it was the
Ottoman extermination of Armenians, those that died from land mines after the
war, who were arrested by their own countrymen and put into concentration camps
(most Jews sent to concentration camps that were not germans were typically
arrested by quislings of their own nationality), or killed outright for
resistance activities, or as a result of collateral damage from falling
shrapnel, or starvation or disease, these were all the actions of their own
governments.
As far as I am concerned, Janet Reno is no better than Goering, Quisling, or
anyone else who was 'just following orders' when innocent civilians died as a
result of the intentional acts of of government troops against those civilians.
The only thing to quibble about is degree. While Joe Dees repeatedly brings up
McVeigh (who was not a capitalist, or a business owner, or a corporate
executive, by any means), the fact is that Reno still has more blood on her
hands than McVeigh has, and she has yet to be charged with a crime, although
there is a class action mandamus lawsuit against her regarding her illegal
administration of the NICS system. It continues to be appealed, and will remain
so until she is out of office, when the suit will have to be refiled against the
new attorney general (unless, of course, Gore gets elected and keeps her on
board).
Don't think my numbers are accurate? How about this: based on the fact that we
know that liberalized concealed weapons laws lower violent crime by 8%, and that
there are some 8,000 or so people murdered each year (this does not count
suicides, self defense, or other non-murder homicides), then her collusion in
restrictive gun control legislation and enforcement costs 640 lives every year.
In the eight years she has been in office, she has the blood of 5120 people on
her hands due to her gun control politics.
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