Re: Qualia and the Galactic Loony Bin

Harvey Newstrom (
Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:36:37 -0400

On Wednesday, June 23, 1999 12:41 am, Hal <> wrote:
> Harvey Newstrom, <>, writes:
> > I submit that your pattern-model will not occur without a causal-model
> > actually running the consciousness programming and creating the patterns
> > the pattern-model brain.
> OK, this is basically a statement that you believe in the causal model
> but not the pattern model. I accept that.

Actually, this says much more than that. I claim that your examples of a pattern-brain functioning are faulty because it includes causal-brains as part of the explanation of how the pattern-brain functions. Your own explanation for how a pattern-brain works includes regular human causal brains running the experiment. If you could device a theoretical way that a pattern brain could function on its own without a causal-brain being involved, it would sure help your claim.

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