Date sent: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:55:44 -0400 From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <mike@lorrey.com> Organization: http://lorrey.com http://artlocate.com To: extropians@extropy.com Subject: Re: Yeah, guns and guns and guns and guns Send reply to: extropians@extropy.com
> dwayne wrote:
>
> > "Michael S. Lorrey" wrote:
> >
> > > I'm all for it, so long as the opposing side does too. I try to never initiate
> > > these things, but to permit unanswered inanities from the controller's side on a
> > > list that is purportedly of libertarian bent is inconcionable.
> >
> > It is? Where does it say that?
>
> The main reason there are objections to this debate is that most of the objectors have
> never taken the time to research extropianism in depth before they subscribed to the
> list, and many never ever read the FAQ. The rest of the objectors here are the types
> who usually play devil's advocate against extropian ideas, especially if they don't
> fit in with their statist mindset.
>
> > I'm certainly not a libertarian, I think they are dangerous fanatics,
> > but I'm on this list.
>
> Then I suggest you read the FAQ and other info at the extropy.com site.
>
> >
> > Besides: libertarianism is a *current* political philosophy, and I would
> > argue there are better fora for discussion of current events.
> >
> > > BTW: Guns are, in fact, technology.
> >
> > But the Gun Debate is, in fact, politics.
>
> It is the politics of allowing powerful technology be used by common people with
> little or no government control. I cannot think of a more usefull paralell to the
> problems we will face in the future when human level IQ desktop PCs and
> nanotechnologies will be commonly available and affordable. If we cannot resolve this
> debate now on the mundane technologies like guns, then there is no hope of a minimally
> chaotic future with those other technologies. Too often people want to just stick
> their heads in the sand because they don't want to do the hard work of thinking for
> themselves and acting for themselves. This is the root cause of further government
> encroachment into people's lives, enslaving them more and more, and is also why some
> people don't want to deal with this debate.
>
> > > Not politically correct technology, but
> > > technology nontheless.
> > > Those that tolerate supression of such a mundane
> > > technology like guns cannot cry and whine when the really usefull technologies
> > > get banned by the same tyrants.
> >
> > Of course they bloody well can.
>
> Not if they are to retain any integrity. If they enjoy being hypocrits, ok.
>
> > > When evil men conspire, free men must associate.
> >
> > Blah blah yet more bullshit rhetoric. Can't help yourself, can you?
> >
> > Thank you for making everyone's point once again.
>
> Thanks for demonstrating once again that your side isn't interested in debating to
> learn but to avoid debate in order to avoid the truths that you deny about yourselves.
>
I'm quite willing to debate. Have you read over my limited,
reasonable, rational and logical suggestions yet?
>
> Mike Lorrey
>
>