Date sent: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:36:31 -0400 From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Organization: http://lorrey.com http://artlocate.com To: email@example.com Subject: Re: Guns [was Re: property Rights] Send reply to: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Martin Pericles Anso wrote:
> > This may be a weak argument, but to me there seems to be little
> > extropian value in enslaving oneself to a gun. Making a gun one's first
> > defense to any threat, imagined or otherwise, is hardly developing
> > yourself as a human. Non-violence, while less spectacular and seemingly
> > slower to get results, is (in my opinion) always to be preferred to a
> > violent approach.
> Legal gun owners, demographically, have the lowest incidence of violent crime of
> any demographic group. We set the standard of non-violence that the rest of the
> so-called non-violent pacifistic culture can't seem to meet. You're statement
> about 'enslaving oneself to a gun' is rather pathetic, since: a) you can't
> enslave yourself to an inanimate object, b) if you could, IMHO that would be by
> choice, and is far far better than becoming forcibly enslaved to the
> government/criminal terrocrat industry.
He said as he kissed his pistol, and massaged it's flank with a well- oiled cloth.
> A gun is a technological tool, like any other tool (i.e. a PC, a cell phone,
> nanotech, brain implants, cryonic suspension, etc) is merely a means to greater
> freedom and ability for the individual, which is exactly what extropy is all
The obvious difference is, of course, that guns, alone of the above mentioned devices, supposedly extend one life by ending another. Perhaps you don't see it, but I think that's a pretty significant difference.
>Government has no interest in giving you greater freedom, only in
> it away. It has no interest in giving you greater ability, as that is a threat
> to its own power. Un-extropic individuals hate us and the things we stand for.
> They will not stop at mere legal maneuvers to prevent us from acheiving our
I want your ass uploaded YESTERDAY, to get you away from the guns you would just LOVE to get a chance to use on people, Rambo! BTW, you anthromorphize government too much. It is not this self-aware monster you would demonize it to be, and has no self-reflective will of its own.
> Longevity is another extropian value. Non-gun-owners have a higher mortality
> rate than gun owners.
Because they're shot down by gun owners who SHOULDN'T HAVE THEM!
> Mike Lorrey