Date sent: Thu, 27 May 1999 05:08:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mark@unicorn.com To: extropians@extropy.com Subject: Re: Property Rights Send reply to: extropians@extropy.com
> Joe E. Dees [joedees@bellsouth.net] wrote:
> >Nix to the
> >mentally disturbes, children, felons, abusive spouses.
>
> So where exactly does the Second Amendment say 'the right to keep and bear
> arms shall not be infringed except for mentally disturbed, children, felons
> and abusives spouses'? I don't see it there, I can only assume you have a
> different version of the Constitution to me. The states can probably pass
> such laws, but any Federal disarmament laws are utterly unconstitutional.
>
Lemme get this straight: you WANT the above people to have
guns? Then yours would definitely be taken away, because you
are clearly one deranged fuckwad!
>
> >You keep on trotting out that old tired slippery
> >slope domino theory; "If we let them do the rational and reasonable
> >thing today, who knows where it may lead?"
>
> Victim disarmament is neither rational nor reasonable, and almost every
> country which has imposed registration of guns (and background checks are
> registration by default) has gone on to ban and confiscate many or most
> of those registered guns. Most gun owners are reasonable people, and have
> been willing to accept 'reasonable' infringements on their rights... and
> you know what? The disarmers continually come back with just one more
> 'reasonable' infringement to add to the list until all rights are gone;
> their desire to completely ban private ownership of guns is hardly a
> secret. This will only stop when gun owners stand up and stop being
> 'reasonable'.
>
You took leave of your reason behind long ago; other countries
haven't had 2nd Amendments, so you can't in good conscience
use them as feasible models (but when did your conscience ever
stop you, ay?).
>
> >What part of "general
> >welfare" do you not understand?
>
> Ok Joe, since you're the Constitutional expert, you explain just what
> 'general welfare' means in the context it's used in the Constitution.
>
"Promote the general welfare" basically means to maximize the
perpetuation of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness within the
general populace; I note that the first of these is life, which a bullet
to the head or heart irretrievably abridges.
>
> Mark
>