ES> I was always taught that in order for something to be a lie
> three conditions must be met...
> a) the statement must be untrue
> b) the purpose of the statement is to deceive
> c) the person it is told to is entitled to the truth
> In the case of the Jews/SS an argument could be made for the fact that
> the SS were simply not entitled to that information. Therefore the
> statement could be considered as something else than unethical lying...
ML> That is the definition of libel, not of lying.
Libel further requires actual harm and intent to harm. Most of the examples of "ethical lying" people come up with are simply self-defense as in the above example. The use of fraud in self-defense is the same as the use of violence in self-defense. Lies to the government are included here as well.
A more interesting question is how unethical are lies
told because they are utterly inconsequential? Say you
are having a conversation at a party with someone you
know you will never see again--why not be entertaining
by describing your trip to Europe that you never took?
What about lies of mere convenience? "I was over at
Charlie's watching the game" rather than "It's none of
your damned business where I was and I don't want to
tell you and I don't want to argue about it."
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