Anders Sandberg (
Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:03:00 +0200 (MET DST)

On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Guru George wrote:

> What if what Buddhists call 'clear light' is what Lilly and other
> scientists would call 'noise': i.e. the thing or experience is the same,
> but looked at from different perspectives?

Yes, it might be something similar, although I have the impression the
clear light (the azoth of the alchemists) is an indivisible experience ("I
am that I am"), not the complex hallucinations (or whatever) of NDE and
OOBE. I would like to point out the similarities with this and temporal
lobe epilepsy (Dostoyevskian epilepsy), and Persinger's experiments:

"There is little doubt that the class of experiences that comprise
mystical experiences in general, and NDE's in particular, is strongly
correlated with temporal lobe activity....Kate Makarec and I have found
that all of the major components of the NDE [near death experience],
including out-of-body experiences, floating, being pulled towards a light,
hearing strange music, and profound meaningful experiences can occur in
experimental settings during minimal electrical current induction to the
temporal region due to exogenous spike-and-wave magnetic field sources."
- Michael Persinger in Report on Communion by Ed Conroy

My personal guess is that the 'clear light' is some kind of limbic state,
started by influencing the temporal lobe. Might be interesting to try.

> Is the clear light experience perhaps just experiencing noise *as* noise,
> rather than giving in to the habit of trying to find a signal?

I have the impression it is more like seeing "everything as one". One
should distinguish between experiencing noise and having noise in the

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