Re: Commie Nonsense (was: Re: Many Selves)

From: Zero Powers (
Date: Wed Jun 14 2000 - 14:19:54 MDT

>From: "zeb haradon" <>

>From: "Zero Powers" <>

>>Actually I was thinking more of a society of people enlightened enough to
>>realize that what's good for the whole is good for the individual.
>If people were enlightened enough to realize that, wouldn't they be
>enlightened enough to be prosperous in a free society? Aren't you saying
>only society in which communism would work would be one where it is not
>needed? (I'm of the opinion that the best thing about communism is that it
>doesn't work)

"Enlightenment" is not synonymous with "business acumen." Think of W.R.
Hearst, Rothschilds, J.P. Moran, Rockefeller, Bill Gates. To they strike
you as "enlightened" individuals?

>>It's simply a matter of realizing that the surest way to keep your
>>from stealing your bread is to be sure that he has enough to
>>keep his own belly full. I call it "enlightened self-interest."
>The surest way to prevent someone from stealing from you is to set up a
>government which will steal for you for him?

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is

>Either way, you're left with
>the same amount.
>It's much more to your self interest to live in a society where someone who
>steals from you is considered a criminal, because you are allowed to defend
>yourself against him, and he can go to jail. In either case, the result is
>that there are less people among the populace who are going to steal from

The recent dip in the national crime statistics notwithstanding, it doesn't
seem to me that capitalism has been very effective at discouraging theft.

>Ensuring that your neighbor has enough bread to keep his belly full is his
>resposibility, not yours.

All that says is that we currently live in a capitalistic society. To which
I can only agree.

>He would have more options available to help him
>meet this need under capitalism.

Communism says "to each according to his *need*." Capitalism says "to each
according to his luck and ability." This alone would lead me to believe
that you'd have a much better chance of having your "needs" met in an
optimally communistic society.

>>Unfortunately such a society is unlikely to be stable for long as long as
>>there is not enough to go around for *everyone*. But hopefully that minor
>>problem will soon be solved by the good folks over at Foresight :)

This part of my post you didn't respond to, and this is the most important
part of what I said.


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