Re: Continuity of identity, was: Moravec article available

From: Zero Powers (
Date: Wed May 03 2000 - 19:10:23 MDT

>From: Ken Clements <>
>I did not ask which one you upload, I asked "what do you upload when you
>What exactly is this "then you" mentioned above? What is it made of? Zero
>some unspecified amount of change with death. Perhaps if I knew the
>composition of
>the "then you" and the context transformation involved in the upload, I
>could make a
>judgment call on Zero's assertion. I suspect that the general concept of
>is not logically consistent. That does not mean that I have a problem with
>technical feasibility of readout and simulation, so do not jump on me about
>that. Perhaps folks on this list will think about this and help me
>What do you upload, when you upload?

Well since there's never yet been even an attempt (much less a success) at
mental uploading, its pretty difficult to give an *exact* answer to that
question. Essentially what I *imagine* will happen is that through some
fantastic tech or another your current mental state (or a fairly close
approximation thereof) will be moved or copied from your wetware to some
sort of software- or hardware-enabled qualia. I don't know whether it will
be an exact neuron-by-neuron or synapse-by-synapse duplication or some more
general representation of the contents of your mind. My guess is it will be
a little of both.

However, all of that is speculation. What I am fairly certain of is that
the essence of what is uploaded will be your mental existence as it is at
the instant of uploading. But as I've said before, that mental existence
will immediately begin to change upon the having of its first independent
mental experience. Does this answer your question?


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