I've lately thought that on Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Billy Brown wrote:
>Randall Randall wrote:
>A free market in weapons would probably result in lower prices, just like it
>does with anything else. However, it isn't going to make everything cheap.
No, but it will make devices with low material costs and manufacturing costs cheap. The most complex thing produced today is a microprocessor, and those *are* cheap.
>> >Today it is virtually impossible to defeat a modern army in
>> conventional
>> >warfare unless you have one yourself.
>>
>> Not so. The Somalis effectively defeated the force sent there in the
>> early 1990s...the trick is to cause losses while making it clear that
>> it will go on indefinitely.
>
>??? The Somalis killed a few soldiers, and the Clinton administration
>decided it didn't want bad press on the issue and pulled out. There was
>never any attempt to attack the warlords responsible, so it hardly counts as
>a war.
>Now, in a conflict between a big, low-tech country and a small, high-tech
>country I'd probably bet on the high-tech side. However, high technology
>tends to produce so much wealth that it is hard to find examples like that.
>The usual case is for one side to have better technology and a bigger
>economy.
This is one reason why I believe that an anarchy will have no trouble defending themselves.
>> Computers are so cheap (and falling) that this sort of equipment is
Sure there is. No one has done research on more powerful explosives
for some time, simply because we know hot to build high explosives (nukes)
that are any desired size. This is an example of hardware that is good
enough. The only exception, AFAIK, to this is computational power,
which will be available in similar levels to everyone at low cost,
>> expensive only due to scarcity. The cost of manufacture is low,
>> compared to many electronic gadgets that people routinely buy..
>
>No, its based on the arms race problem.
>
>Simply put, there is never a point at which military technology is 'good
>enough'.
>And BTW, the kind of systems I mentioned are not just computers.
>Military-grade sensors are better than anything in the civilian sector
>(except for scientific instruments, of course), and robotics are expensive
>anywhere. Also, the military version has to keep working after being shot,
>dropped, run over, rained on, and used as a hammer - all of which drives up
>costs considerably.
Another option is to have enough cheap tools to throw away the ones that get abused.
>Now, once again, I expect that a privatized system could produce better arms
>for less money than a government. However, that doesn't mean that arms
>would be cheap. Costs of some items might drop, but an intelligent military
>will opt for improved performance over reduced cost in almost all cases.
>This is true as far as it goes, but it ignores some crucial factors:
>
>1) In peacetime, an organization that does not plan to start a war has
>strong incentives to invest in productive resources instead of weapons.
>This tends to create divergent strategies, where peaceful groups maximize
>economic growth and warlike groups maximize military power.
>2) It takes time to convert economic power into military power. Raising an
>army takes years. Building a navy takes decades. Figuring out how to make
>your troops into a first-rate fighting force is along and uncertain process.
>3) Warlike groups practice divide-and-conquer strategies. You don't attack
>the whole world at once. You pick some unpopular little group, and conquer
>them. Then you find another, and another, and another. If you're good at
>the game, you eventually pick off enough smaller groups to make the
>operation worthwhile. If not, your peaceful neighbors wise up and organize
>to oppose you.
Yes. This is why I am not sure that any of the current "free nation" projects
>4) Losses in wartime are not symmetrical. If my military is twice as
>good
>as yours, and I invade your country, I can defeat 100% of
>your troops
>without loosing anywhere near 50% of mine (10% would be a
>more likely
>figure). If my advantage is even larger, my losses rapidly become
>trivial.
Note that a loosely organized local defense force is likely to lose fewer people, even if the invading force is better equipped. Cf Afganistan.
>5) Warlike groups don't have to show a profit. Market institutions must
>deliver a positive return on investment on a fairly consistent basis.
>Coercive institutions can show a net loss for years, and their only penalty
>is a lower rate of economic growth. In the long run this can be a fatal
>problem (witness the Soviet Union), but that is beyond the planning horizon
>of most despots. So, coercive institutions tend not to care if their
>operations are actually profitable.
If the conquering operation loses money consistently, it can never hope to conquer a significant portion of even the Earth, without collapsing. We no longer live in an era where empires can last...
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