Re: Extropy and Rednecks

Justin Jones (frjones@swbell.net)
Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:03:52 -0800


> From: Terry Donaghe <tdonaghe@yahoo.com>
> To: extropians@extropy.com
> Subject: Re: Extropy and Rednecks
> Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 5:28 AM
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> ---Justin Jones <frjones@swbell.net> wrote:
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> > > From: Terry Donaghe <tdonaghe@yahoo.com>
> > > To: extropians@extropy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Extropy and Rednecks
> > > Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 9:38 AM
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> > > ---Harvey Newstrom <newstrom@newstaffinc.com> wrote:
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> > > > The sad thing is, I cannot disagree that this is the impression
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> > > > this list projects. This list seems to attract more political
> > > > commentators than researchers, more gun enthusiasts than computer
> > > > enthusiasts, and more conspiracy nuts than scientists. There is
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> > > > discussion about economic theories than on scientific theories.
> > > > Arguments about vegetarians, animal rights, gun control,
> homosexuals,
> > > > social classes, government actions, liberals, religion, class
> > > struggles
> > > > should be on alt.politics instead of the extropians list.
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> > > > Harvey Newstrom <newstrom@newstaffinc.com>
> <http://newstaffinc.com>
> > > > Author, Engineer, Entrepreneur, Consultant, Researcher, Scientist.
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> > > I disagree. It is easy to be a scientist and a socialist, but it is
> > > not possible to be an extropian and socialist. Some may disagree
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> > > read the principles that Max has written. Advocating the use of
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> > > against peaceful citizens has no place in extropianism.
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> > Damn those evil socialists!
> > What if they contribute willingly?I am basically an extropian and
> also a
> > socialist.
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> I don't have a problem with socialists who are willing to allow
> socialism to happen voluntarily. I think that's fine and dandy
> (though it won't work), but I what I have a problem with, and what I
> think is exclusive of extropianism is advocating the use of force
> against a peaceful population. That's what socialist governments do.
> If you advocate a socialist government then you advocate the use of
> violence against peaceful people.
Sorry to everyone else here for wasting space but... I was considering being a libertarian, but at the only 2 libertarian party meetings I've ever attended they were discussing who really owned the "secret gummit black army helicopters" So that kinda made me think that's where all the anti-government conspiracy theorists went. But that was a couple years ago, and since then I've run into my socialist phase.(Anarchist to Socialist in 3 years) Just thought I would offer a short explanation(I'm not very good at debating so I won't try to). BYE