>Sorry, if I'm causing offence, but I'm still waiting for one example for a
>purely logical basis for morals or ethics that does not depend on what you,
>I or anyone else thinks or feels.
Samael, I'm still waiting for one example for a purely logical basis for logic. Have you got one? Any modern physicist knows that all that exists is (1) entities that are neither particles nor waves (2) in spacetime.
Now, use that model of existence to get your car washed. ...to go to the movies. ...to make a million dollars. ...to get elected president.
PS: Have you read any William James?
PPS: assuming you're serious, and not just arguing from habit or for fun, you might want to investigate Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality. I find it interesting and provocative. And, potentially, a metaphysics that connects to physics *and* morality. Given that model, one of the tough parts is "why" there are multiple regimes (Pirsig says four). But what's moral in one regime has nothing to do with what's moral in another.