Re: Justice is so revenge

Yak Wax (
Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:47:13 -0800 (PST)

John K Clark <> wrote:

> >They've committed the crime, you lost out, and any
"justice" incurred
> >beyond that point is by definition, revenge.
> You're using private definitions, apparently for you the ASCII string
> "revenge" means "justice" and "justice" means "revenge", that's your
> one definition is not intrinsically better than another; however, for
> effective communication a common definition is useful and that's why
I use
> the standard one.

I wasn't saying "Justice is Revenge" because I think revenge is a good
form of justice, but because I think what many people call justice is
simply revenge.

> Justice means finding whatever needs to be done to minimize most
suffering in
> most people. I admit that the best solution is often far from
obvious, but at
> least the problem is clear.

I find nothing wrong with people cooperating to rid themselves of a
common threat (in which ever way they see fit.) But the justice
system goes beyond that, and creates a fixed set of threats which are
apparently (whether you like it or not) for your own good. And I
would argue that all "punishments" are revenge.

> Revenge means entertainment obtained by causing pain in somebody
> Example:
> I take your banana. When I'm not looking you steal the banana back.
> Justice.

Unless there's plenty of other banana's around, in which case taking
my banana is vengeful. Otherwise I agree that you should satisfy your
banana needs. But I don't see why we need to call that justice.

> I take your banana. When I'm not looking you steal the banana back,
> gasoline on me, set me on fire and laugh at my screams of agony as I
> alive and beg for death.
> Revenge.


> >It may be bullshit, but it's inspired bullshit
> Well, I half agree.


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