From: Mike Lorrey (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Sun Feb 03 2002 - 07:17:45 MST
Miriam English wrote:
> At 04:07 PM 03/02/2002, Forrest Bishop wrote:
> > >
> >Excellent. So a victim-disarming monopoly on the use of deadly force is
> >prohibited, of course. Also, the monetary system shall not be imposed by
> >monopoly fiat: forcing nearly everyone to become bonded debt-slaves to the
> >Statists/bankstas. These items, along with income-tax slavery, monopoly
> >public "education" (i.e. Statist indoctrination camps) and monopoly Social
> >Security pyramid schemes are some of the most demeaning, unjust, evils
> >(meaning "to cause harm") perpetuated by the protection racket
> >occasionally referred to as the State. I've never been down under, but I'd
> >move there in a heartbeat if the above organized-crime schemes were absent.
> So goes the litany of evils that so many Americans seem to project upon the
> kind of mild, almost disinterested, social responsibility that seems to
> color Oz.
> You know what is the strangest thing? The people who foam most strongly at
> the mouth when screeching about the evils of society are those who have
> benefitted most from it. Those who have been born into the richer classes,
> who have gained their wealth and knowledge from countless generations
> before them, demand that they alone be recognised as being the creators of
> their good fortune and that they are damned if they will share it with
> anybody else.
Can you prove otherwise? Government has always operated more as a
hindrance to individuals attaining wealth than a help. How, in fact, did
government give Bill Gates $60 billion? How has it given Harvey, or
Brent, or any other successful extropian their wealth. Every one of them
will demonstrate how they worked their butts off for it.
While I don't deny that there are those who make a career of feeding at
the public trough, and some of the smart ones even get rich at it, but
the overwhelming majority do so just to avoid doing real work.
While Forrest's litany is certainly dead on accurate, the number one
thing wrong about Oz is that its residents are not sovereign citizens,
and never have been. In the treaty of independence, it explicitly states
that the parliament is the sovereign power and that it has obtained its
sovereignty from the just delegation of the Queen of England.
As such, the residents will never be more than serfs (and surfers)
living in a lotus eaters paradise (until the lotuses run out).
> >Thanks for the offer, sport, but I already live on or about the socialist
> >shithole of Plantation USA, picking my "fair share" of cotton for the
> >greater grandeur of Massah'. I use Karl Marx's definition of socialism:
> >the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto, abolition of private property
> >(slaves don't own property), dissolution of the family, etc., which is a
> >fairly accurate, funtionalistic description of the contemporary US System.
> I'm sure you don't really know how lucky you are Mr Bishop. You have become
> insulated from the real world. Surely you don't really think that USA is
> anything approaching communist. This must surely be chest-beating, soapbox
> hyperbole... your favorite rant... not anything to do with the real world.
You apparently don't know much about the US. Its actually quite a
pastiche of systems from state to state, although the last half century
has imposed a federal blanket of socialist confiscation upon everyone.
It's tax system is rigged so that you either surrender any margin that
would serve to make you wealthy, or you have to become a tax criminal to
escape wage slavery.
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