From: Terry W. Colvin (fortean1@mindspring.com)
Date: Mon Jan 07 2002 - 13:47:30 MST
Samantha Atkins wrote:
>
> Damien Broderick wrote:
>
> > At 08:18 PM 1/6/02 -0500, Dossy wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Is it not feasible that the US Government, in an attempt to
> >>bring their influence into the Middle East in order to side
> >>with Israel against Palestine, decided to approach a known
> >>terrorist organization and say "we will assist in your
> >>destroying the Twin Towers
> >>
> >
> > It is not feasible. It is a quite stupid cartoon pseudo-idea. It makes me
> > feel sick to see it here on the extropian list.
> >
>
> Unfortunately, the US has played with the feasibility of faked
> attacks according to a book by James Bamford based on FOIA
> documents that was published in May 2001. These notions kicked
> around were in the Kennedy administration though. Still, it is
> sickening that in fact there are creatures in our government and
> military that have indeed thought in such terms. Never say "never".
>
> http://www.sunspot.net/bal-te.md.nsa24apr24.story
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385499078/qid=1010391710/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_67_1/002-7033407-7723224
>
> - samantha
Below is an exchange on this subject discussed on the Skeptic list.
Terry
< http://www.salon.com/books/review/2001/04/25/nsa/ >
Good review of James Bamford's second book on NSA, _Body of Secrets:
Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency From the Cold War
Through the Dawn of a New Century_.
Few weeks ago I watched Bamford on C-Span where he summarized his book and
fielded questions. He described the coverup by the American and Israeli
governments of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. He called for a
Senate investigation.
Terry
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Jim, these are the three most relevant hits from the search engine WebFerret.
The first site links to seven pages of the "alleged" Operation Mongoose
operational plans. It looks like an executive summary. Terry
< http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/ >
The National Security Archive
Click on the white banner that reads:
"Pentagon Proposed Pretexts for Cuba Invasion in 1962"
< http://fly.hiwaay.net/~pspoole/echelon.html >
ECHELON: America's Secret Global Surveillance Network -- Patrick S. Poole
ECHELON: America's Secret Global Surveillance Network Copyright 1999/2000
Patrick S. Poole Be sure to visit my ECHELON Research Resources page for
hundreds of news articles and other ECHELON related materials. Read some of
the... Another disturbing......
< http://alamo-girl.com/0024.htm >
CLINTON'S ROGUES GALLERY:
DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON
SECTION: STATUS OF US INTELLIGENCE SUBSECTION: ECHELON, HIGH TECH Revised
10/12/00.
ECHELON AND
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Jim Giglio wrote:
>
> > By David Ruppe
> > ABCNEWS.com
>
> > NEW YORK, May 1--In the early 1960s, America's top military
> > leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and
> > commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public
> > support for a war against Cuba.
>
> [snip]
>
> > Details of the plans are described in "Body of Secrets"
> > (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford
> > about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National
> > Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the
> > agency, he notes.
>
> This is an absolutely astonishing story, and it's at least
> equally astonishing that other news outlets seem to be ignoring
> it. I first saw it a few days ago, and since then there seems to
> be complete silence.
>
> Bamford claims to have obtained the supporting documents from
> some collection having to do with the JFK assassination; has
> anybody seen anything more specific as to the source? I'd like to
> see them for myself.
>
> *--------------------------*
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Thanks for the link.
I looked at Bamford's site where the book is pitched. He has a
list of his sources. The ones relevant to the "Northwoods" plan
seem to be these:
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JCS, Top Secret/Special Handling memorandum, Craig to Lansdale
(February 2, 1962). (ARRB, Califano Papers, Box 6, Folder 7).
JCS, Top Secret/Special Handling/Noforn report, Report by the
Department of Defense and Joint Chiefs of Staff Representative on
the Caribbean Survey Group to the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Cuba
Project (March 9, 1962). (ARRB, JCS Central Files, Box 29).
JCS, Top Secret/Special Handling/Noforn, Note by the Secretaries
to the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Northwoods, Annex to Appendix to
Enclosure A, Pretexts to Justify U.S. Military Intervention in
Cuba (March 12, 1962), p. 8.
JCS, Top Secret/Special Handling/Noforn memorandum, Lemnitzer to
McNamara (March 13, 1962). (ARRB, JCS Central Files 1962, Box
29).
JCS, Top Secret/Special Handling/Noforn memorandum, Lemnitzer to
McNamara (April 10, 1962), pp. 1-2. (ARRB, JCS Central Files
1962, Box 29).
===============================================================
"ARRB" is the Assasination Records Review Board. The third item,
by its placement, would seem to come from that same source, but
it doesn't have the ARRB notation. I've sent a request to NARA
for pricing and ordering info on these items; I'll be interested
to see if they can find them all.
On the "Mongoose" document: It appears that it's a predecessor to
the one listed by Bamford; it's labeled as an appendix to
enclosure A, while Bamford's is labeled as an annex to that
appendix. The Mongoose document is odd; it starts on page 5 and
just sort of stops on page 11. It contains no identifying
information, and the archive link provides no information as to
how it was obtained or from where. Hmmmm...
I've joind that site's mailing list; I plan to ask a few
questions. They don't seem to have an on-line facility for
submitting inquiries.
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Jim G.
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