Re: Heston Speech

From: Steve Nichols (
Date: Sun Feb 25 2001 - 11:09:15 MST

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:39:40 -0500
From: Michael Lorrey <>
Subject: Re: Heston Speech

> >Since a) there are no posthumans,
S> Nonsense, I have been post-human since the early 1980's, and Blavatsky,
S> Mather's and other were 'more-than-human' back in the C19th.

>And many socialists have been calling themselves 'anarchists' since
>Kruschev's speech, or since the fall of the USSR. Saying something
>doesn't make it so, nor does inventing our own definitions for words.

Excuse me, Blavatsky was writing about "post-humans" since 1888,
and I have been explaining posthuman philosophy and publishing since
the early 1980's ... it is your (more recent) definition which is wrong!

> and b) the singularity has not >occurred,
S> Hopefully, and probably, never will. Wot a bunch of speculation and
S> Singularity is either the centre of a black hole, or a Leibnitzean monad
S> far as I am concerned ... or has anyone demonstrated another kind?

>By definition, posthumans will not exist until the singularity occurs,

Your "singularity" is a fiction that won't happen ... rather like the
What single shred of evidence do you have for it? Who wants to become
the Borg anyway .... I prefer Dr. Who who fights against would-be daleks!

>so either you should be for the singularity occurring so that you might
>one day call yourself posthuman, or else stop claiming to be post human.

After (or post-) human simply indicates whatever identity comes
after the "human being" stage of history .... "trans-" human is subset
of the after/post-human identity ... for if we are "transitional" then we
are already different from "non-transitional" humans.

> c) nobody can make any rational claim as to what 'posthuman
> >aesthetic' is, nor is situationalism in any way extropic.

S> Sure, claims are meaningless. It is down to us to forge the new
S> and who says it should be a single standard? Situationalism/ survivalism/
S> and pragmatism are an alternative to theory-laden, dogmatic approaches.
S> It is best to stay flexible, react to the presenting realities without
> filtering
S> out any of the big picture because of ideological blinkers (extropic
S> or otherwise). Why restrict yourself and lock-in to some dogma, even if
S> a futurist/ progressive one? Evolution is about SURVIVAL mainly.

>Rejecting situationalism does not require dogman. It only requires
>principle. In our case, the Extropian principles are quite fine, and are
>not dogmatic, nor are they situationalist.

You might think you can reject (the theory of) situationism ... but
no principles can withstand every real and potential situation!

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