Re: Breaking News: World is 10 deg chillier

From: Harvey Newstrom (
Date: Thu Jan 25 2001 - 10:09:56 MST

At 9:45 AM -0500 1/25/01, Michael Lorrey wrote:
>Follow the money. What they want are huge
>energy/carbon taxes levied, huge government bureaucracies to study the
>problem and propose the international regulation of energy policies. You
>have scientists, who normally struggle for grant and scholarship money,
>who are proposing solutions that will give them nice secure civil
>service jobs with big budgets and the authority to tell evil
>corporations how to run their companies. This is all part of the
>green/socialist agenda.

As we used to say on this list, "extraordinary claims require
extraordinary evidence." Do you have any evidence that global
warming is really a giant hoax by scientists to get grant money?
What you said above is just speculation and could be said by any
conspiracy theorist about any conspiracy theory. I keep hearing
these claims from Rush Limbaugh and the like, but I never see any
hard scientific data on any of the science groups. Where does one go
to find real data and not just political positioning?

The article you originally quoted in this thread, for example, had
nothing to do with global warming. It studied temperatures millions
of years ago. You presented it as evidence against global warming,
even though the authors indicated their support for the claims of
global warming. This was not evidence against global warming, even
though you presented it as such. I have followed many such examples
of "evidence", only to find that the original article did not say was
the proponents thought it did.

We have ice-core studies and tree ring studies that claim to show
that average temperature has suddenly risen in the last 100 years
when compared to the previous 100,000 years. Where do I find studies
that claim evidence that the ice-core and tree ring studies are
wrong, or give different evidence that temperatures have not risen?
I have not been able to find the actual scientific studies to
determine the issue for myself.

Harvey Newstrom <>

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