Fwd: RE: Re: Practical self-defense in the UK - a question

From: Russell Whitaker (russell_whitaker@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jan 22 2001 - 15:52:11 MST

My San Francisco bujinkan teacher Dale Seago quickly
replied to this question, both to myself and this list.
He's not a list member, so I'm forwarding it myself.
Apologies if/when this shows up as a duplicate later.

Dale knows whereof he speaks, being in the security
business professionally (at a high level, much of it
involving issues in different countries).

As for paragraph #1 below, the same applies for other
countries such a Japan. I carried a pocketknife and was
prepared to give the acceptable answer of "I'm on my
way to my friend's place; from there, we're going camping
in Izu. This is my camping knife."


PS - Dale's website: http://www.bujinkansf.org/

>From: "Dale Seago" <dale@bujinkansf.org>
>To: russell_whitaker@hotmail.com extropians@extropy.org
>Subject: RE: Re: Practical self-defense in the UK - a question
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:16:10 -0800
>Quite apart from the specific statutory language, the basic rule
>of thumb appears to be that (a) if you carry anything designed
>to be a weapon, you're in the wrong; and (b) if you let it slip
>out that anything you're carrying is *intended* to be used at
>need as a weapon, you're in the wrong.
>I'm aware of a case of a female American tourist a few years
>ago who successfully fought off a group of male muggers in a
>train station with a Swiss army knife. She made the mistake of
>mentioning that she carried it for self-defense and was imprisoned.
>Paradoxically there is an exception for knives carried as an
>element of "national dress", so if you want to carry a dirk (a
>Scottish combat knife with a single-edged blade a foot or more
>in length), wear a kilt.
>-- Dale
> >--- Original Message ---
> >From: "Russell Whitaker" <russell_whitaker@hotmail.com>
> >To: extropians@extropy.org
> >Date: 1/22/01 9:12:13 PM
> >
> >Also try http://www.dvc.org.uk/ when it's up; doesn't
> >seem to be at the moment.
> >
> >Someone offlist who might be able to help you is my friend
> >Sean Gabb of the Libertarian Alliance UK; his email
> >address: old.whig@btinternet.com
> >
> >He's the author of (among much more; 850,000 words of
> >his writings are on his webpage alone):
> >"http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=1696271&pageid=r&mode=ALL&query=gun"
> >He should be able to inform you of the current state
> >of some of the relevant laws.
> >
> >Please share the info back with the list when/if you
> >find out.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Russell
> >
> >
> >>From: "scerir" <scerir@libero.it>
> >>Reply-To: extropians@extropy.org
> >>To: <extropians@extropy.org>
> >>Subject: Re: Practical self-defense in the UK - a question
> >>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:01:00 +0100
> >>
> >>Try "Target Talk" (international bbs)
> >>http://www.midcoast.com/~pilkguns/bbs/
> >>-scerir
> >>
> >>estropico wrote:
> >> > Given the ban on handguns in the UK,
> >> > does anyone know what one is allowed to
> >> > carry, without breaking the law? Apparently it depends on
>the local
> >>police
> >> > force - for instance, extendable batons are ok in some areas,
>but not in
> >> > others and I could not find any further details.
> >> > Any info would be welcome.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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