Re: Transhuman fascists?

From: Zero Powers (
Date: Wed Mar 29 2000 - 11:47:00 MST

>From: "Technotranscendence" <>
>On Tuesday, March 28, 2000 2:23 PM Zero Powers
> > >How would economic equality be brought about and maintained? (I'm not
> > >advocating this -- only trying to see how Zero will answer this.)
> >
> > I'm not sure why you're asking this question or what it has to do with
> > thread. But since you asked, here goes: First off, I never called for
> > immediate "economic equality." But if you want my guess as to how it
> > eventually come about, I think that once we all have access to
> > near-anything boxes, you will ipso facto have substantial "economic
> > equality" since anybody will be able to make near-anything at almost no
> > cost.
>Then we don't need that equality to be enforced by law? Nanotech will only
>bring about equality of certain stuff. Information will still not be
>It mgiht be easier to get and use, but even a slight advantage in it will
>result in one person having better stuff than another. I'm willing to
>living with that, provided the other person is not out to kill or control

Sure, nanotech will only bring about "certain stuff." Certain stuff like a
healthy, immortal body, your own little version of paradise in orbit
somewhere in the solar system and virtually *everything* else you could
possibly want or imagine. Sheesh. Some people are *never* satisfied.

> > The way I see it transparency
> > helps to further this goal, not to inhibit it, particularly where
> > transparency if two-way and power equivolent.
>And I do not. Imagine this. You live in a society where most people find
>gays repulsive and quite a few are willing to kill gays. The majority,
>let's say, doesn't care about gays dying per se, especially if they see
>certain gays having lots of mind blowing anal sex many times a week or

Come on. Get real. It is illegal to murder people, regardless of whether
they are gay or how much "mind blowing anal sex" they enjoy. And the fact
of the matter is that those laws are enforced. Sure there was a time when
if you were black in America you had no rights which any white man was bound
to honor. Those days are passed.

I never said transparency will necessarily bring about an end to all illegal
behavior. What it will do is *guarantee* that the perpetrator is
identified, caught and convicted. That's about all any social policy can
hope to do. To cure people of criminal tendencies you need to look to the
neuroscientists, and maybe the philosophers.


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--Thomas Jefferson

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