=?iso-8859-1?q?florence=20peterson?= <email@example.com> writes:
> Anders: Re. gregs opposition page.
> >A good idea. It might be useful to add more
> information on which memes
> each group promotes that are counter-transhumanistic,
> although this is maybe
> the second step after compiling a good starting list
> of anti-progressgroups.
> I thing Anders has underplayed his hand here, surely
> it's the memes that are the real opposition here, an
> idea can be far more powerfull than an indervidual or
> organisation. Admitadly memes must have a means of
> propogation, so it would be foolhardy not to account
> for these.
Yes. I have a vision of a page or database with various memes and
comments/rebuttals against them; at first it would be just the most
frequently heard opposing views, later it might expand to more subtle
opposition or bad transhumanist memes (there are after all some of
> The great thing about the meme counter-offencive is
> that we can all 'try this at home', by evaluating and
> countering the anti-extropian memes that dwell within
> us! I suggest atrophy and fear to be two things I
> would like to enclude on such a list.
Good point! Although I guess you mean apathy rather than atrophy?
Other memes or thoughts that I have in the past tried to fight in our
community is naive technophilia, us-vs-them-thinking and technological
determinism. There are plenty more memes to be found, understood and
blasted away by the light of reason.
> Question- how would you go about conveying sufficent
> future shock, without sending ones audience screaming
> into the night?
I have found it good to start with stuff that already exists, that
feels a bit here-and-now and relating to themselves - practical stuff,
spectacular and fun things that have appeared on television etc. Then
I try to give a bit of a historical context, showing how quickly
things have developed and that this trend is likely to continue in the
near future. Then I try to make them think about what this means.
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